Drunk Binary @DrunkBinary
Principal Adversary Hunter @dragosinc, Army Veteran (3rd ACR, 1/10CAV, CYBERCOM), Cocktail Scientist, Threat Researcher/Analyst | #FSD infosec.exchange/web/@DrunkBina… Neverwhere Joined October 2015-
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How to burn sources 101. Tbf good journalism and parallel reconstruction is not an easy endeavor if you need to reconstruct your story from sensitive sources info, but it can be done, @hatr, @Bing_Chris, @lorenzofb, and @snlyngaas are great examples of such.
How to burn sources 101. Tbf good journalism and parallel reconstruction is not an easy endeavor if you need to reconstruct your story from sensitive sources info, but it can be done, @hatr, @Bing_Chris, @lorenzofb, and @snlyngaas are great examples of such.
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WEDNESDAY (noun/ ˈwenzdeɪ’) 1. Still not Friday. 📷@KatmaiNPS
"This adversary is heavily scanning your network infrastructure and poking at your VPNs." "It's just reconnaissance, that happens all the time, why should we be worried?"
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BLACKTHORNE: What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and…
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Today, our nation marks the 29th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, the deadliest act of homegrown terrorism in U.S. history. The #FBI remembers and honors the 168 lives lost and hundreds more who were injured. Learn more about the Bureau's role: fbi.gov/history/famous…
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I wish technology developers would seriously pause and ask themselves, "I wonder how the worst of humanity would abuse and use this technology? How can I mitigate that risk in a real and meaningful way?" Except the usual, "YOLO consequences."
I wish technology developers would seriously pause and ask themselves, "I wonder how the worst of humanity would abuse and use this technology? How can I mitigate that risk in a real and meaningful way?" Except the usual, "YOLO consequences."
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Pillow Fight Championship then Cornhole. America really is the best sports country 🦅
Piece of equipment. People get hung up on their favorite, whether that's an emotional connection because you like it, a nationalist connection because your country made it, or just a lack of understanding of War fighting and how unimportant any one piece of equipment actually is.
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Successful non-kinetic capabilities can be the difference between victory and defeat in my Littoral Commander: Indo-Pacific #wargame. The game aims to help players think beyond traditional combat power, and imagine the consequences of non-kinetic capabilities like cyber.
DOD:
Only in the lesbian community will you find a 23 y/o divorcee🤣🤣🤣
Pivoting possible Volt Typhoon 🇨🇳 infrastructure Each of the infrastructure is using: SSL Certifacte C=en, ST=rg, L=df, O=vb, OU=ty, CN=jdyfj nginx 1.20.1 and redirect to google 2[.]58[.]15[.]30 66[.]85[.]27[.]190 45[.]32[.]174[.]131 cc @DrunkBinary @TomHegel @BushidoToken
@DrunkBinary @lorenzofb @hatr @Bing_Chris @snlyngaas With contacts generally talk things with them through beforehand and then go on the record. But spamming out press releases with this tripe on got my goat.
@j2k3k I literally don't even try to start shit in that chat. I literally just have what I think is a very generic question and then four days later people are still replying in thread arguing about the nuances of rare earth mining.
Me when I get four hours of sleep due entirely to my own mistakes (I drank a ton of iced tea at 9:30 pm and I'm gonna make us all suffer for it)
@DrunkBinary “They’re doing it from within the environment.”
@DrunkBinary @hatr @Bing_Chris @snlyngaas I am pretty sure Iain here is referring exclusively to PR people emailing journalists and not agreeing to terms before hand. A PR person should know how that works. Ita different with a non PR source
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