To be fair, a lie implies intent, which can be difficult to prove. These could have been lapses of memory - and it’s possible these may have been due to a cognitive disorder affecting memory, for example - which of course may have warranted an occupational health assessment. Such an assessment should have explored not only the nature of potential memory lapses but also whether Dr Jayaram had the capacity to continue practising medicine if there was such an underlying issue. After all, as a highly educated privately schooled doctor, Dr Jayaram must have known how crucial it was to be accurate and honest when testifying in a court of law. But, @PeterElston1, surely a competent judge and lawyers would have picked up on these inconsistencies rather than allowed Dr Jayaram’s testimony to stand and allowed for him to even have his own “star witness” trial for baby K later on? Let’s give everyone the benefit of the doubt now and hypothesise that the judge/BM/the jury all had attention lapses so they didn’t notice these obvious discrepancies. But now that these issues with Jayaram’s testimony, whether due to severe memory lapses or perjury, have been clearly pointed out to them (one would hope, by Letby’s new defence team), surely the convictions based solely on Dr Jayaram’s alleged recollections should be quashed without delay. Unless, of course, the court has a reason not to? Could that be any explanation beyond the quiet hope that the Letby murder convictions continue to stand despite the “noise” as the risk of reputational damage to the NHS and legal system is too high? After all, that is what people care for the most - isn’t it? The reputation of those looking after them. I’m sure that most people would be very happy to die, to suffer permanent harm or to have their loved ones locked up for life for imaginary crimes as long as those who led to these events happening have intact reputations. Right???? But to quash these ludicrous convictions and do so promptly would require not only a legal system that actually functions, but also one in which the decision makers act according to principles of morality - or at the very least, are guided by the consequences of accountability. And we don’t have one of those, do we…. @drphilhammond @Voice4theDead @DavidRoseUK @DavidDavisMP @MartynPitman @Michelehal7344
To be fair, a lie implies intent, which can be difficult to prove. These could have been lapses of memory - and it’s possible these may have been due to a cognitive disorder affecting memory, for example - which of course may have warranted an occupational health assessment. Such an assessment should have explored not only the nature of potential memory lapses but also whether Dr Jayaram had the capacity to continue practising medicine if there was such an underlying issue. After all, as a highly educated privately schooled doctor, Dr Jayaram must have known how crucial it was to be accurate and honest when testifying in a court of law. But, @PeterElston1, surely a competent judge and lawyers would have picked up on these inconsistencies rather than allowed Dr Jayaram’s testimony to stand and allowed for him to even have his own “star witness” trial for baby K later on? Let’s give everyone the benefit of the doubt now and hypothesise that the judge/BM/the jury all had attention lapses so they didn’t notice these obvious discrepancies. But now that these issues with Jayaram’s testimony, whether due to severe memory lapses or perjury, have been clearly pointed out to them (one would hope, by Letby’s new defence team), surely the convictions based solely on Dr Jayaram’s alleged recollections should be quashed without delay. Unless, of course, the court has a reason not to? Could that be any explanation beyond the quiet hope that the Letby murder convictions continue to stand despite the “noise” as the risk of reputational damage to the NHS and legal system is too high? After all, that is what people care for the most - isn’t it? The reputation of those looking after them. I’m sure that most people would be very happy to die, to suffer permanent harm or to have their loved ones locked up for life for imaginary crimes as long as those who led to these events happening have intact reputations. Right???? But to quash these ludicrous convictions and do so promptly would require not only a legal system that actually functions, but also one in which the decision makers act according to principles of morality - or at the very least, are guided by the consequences of accountability. And we don’t have one of those, do we…. @drphilhammond @Voice4theDead @DavidRoseUK @DavidDavisMP @MartynPitman @Michelehal7344
@NeoDoc11 Worth remembering that during the original Baby K trial, Dr J stated that he had never seen the swipe data, nor had called cause to look at any data. Despite his timings matching it closely. Then, at the retrial, his timings suddenly matched the corrected swipe data 1/2
@NeoDoc11 It’s like a brick wall that cannot be breached. How is she still in prison with all that has been exposed??? My heart breaks for her and others who have suffered as scapegoats. There but for the grace of god . . . . . . . 😢
@NeoDoc11 Re: "surely the convictions based solely on Dr Jayaram’s alleged recollections should be quashed without delay. Unless, of course, the court has a reason not to?" Yes, what was there other than Jayaram's (ahem) "lapses in memory" to convict Lucy Letby of Baby Ks attempted murder?
@NeoDoc11 Well said. I don’t care how many reputations are damaged, I want an innocent person set free as soon as possible. Doesn’t everyone?
@NeoDoc11 "a legal system ... principles of morality ... or at the very least ... accountability. And we don’t have one of those, do we" I feel that the PO scandal and Letby are due to a failure of lawyers (including the old lawyers known as judges). Unethical behaviour seems normalised.
It would seem everyone in the entire judiciary shares the abhorrent views of the widely acclaimed best ever UK judge "It is better that some innocent men remain in jail than that the integrity of the English judicial system be impugned." Lord Denning And we have the gall to call ourselves a civilised society
@NeoDoc11 This is a mess with lives lost and destroyed I also understand you are very skilled and experienced in this and I always seek out your posts But there is not a way this turns out well for everyone If these consultants have teamed up and ruined LL life with moj it is not OK.