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    Jeff Sun, CFTe @jfsrev

    a year ago

    Everyone knows +6% monthly compounded gain will give you a +100% annualized gain. But very few dissect this +6% gain into what is required of your average trading proficiency. Let me give a quick but conservative case of 25% win rate month revolving controlled avg R loss at -0.7, and purely a 0.17% risk to equity of start month. 1. Risk: 0.17% risk to equity per trade (a single R loss is 0.17% of account equity) 2. Trade frequency: 64 trades, 16 win, 48 loss. 3. Win rate: 25% only 4. Avg R gain 4.3 multiples, Avg Holding Period For winning trade (<15 days) 5. Avg R loss -0.7 multiple, Avg Holding Period For Losing trade (<4 days) 6. Profit Factor: 6.14 7. Gain to Pain: 2.1 If you use this as a benchmark and strive to improve the numbers here, control what you can control specifically on your losses, you can hit +100% year even with a few controlled losing months.

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    Lone Stock Trader @LoneStockTrader

    a year ago

    Everyone knows +6% monthly compounded gain will give you a +100% annualized gain. But very few dissect this +6% gain into what is required of your average trading proficiency. Let me give a quick but conservative case of 25% win rate month revolving controlled avg R loss at -0.7, and purely a 0.17% risk to equity of start month. 1. Risk: 0.17% risk to equity per trade (a single R loss is 0.17% of account equity) 2. Trade frequency: 64 trades, 16 win, 48 loss. 3. Win rate: 25% only 4. Avg R gain 4.3 multiples, Avg Holding Period For winning trade (<15 days) 5. Avg R loss -0.7 multiple, Avg Holding Period For Losing trade (<4 days) 6. Profit Factor: 6.14 7. Gain to Pain: 2.1 If you use this as a benchmark and strive to improve the numbers here, control what you can control specifically on your losses, you can hit +100% year even with a few controlled losing months.

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    Jeff Sun, CFTe @jfsrev

    a year ago

    A trader with consistent 35%> win rate YoY avg with the above simple trading philosophy can be a deadly weapon in the market.

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    Jeff Sun, CFTe @jfsrev

    a year ago

    anyway, for those curious on the performance of @Qullamaggie 25% win rate in 2019, I believe it was +52% even after a big loss of -30% in $TLRY alone. This hero has much more complex performance based analytics than mine (logarithmic scale equity curve) and he studies himself. youtu.be/Z6DzD-gMvpw?si…

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    Trader @Trading_PJT

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg Problem with people optics is they belive they will have 1 winner 3 or 4 losers. But reality is tahr it will be 20-40 losers in row and 10 winners in row. You got losers in sideway market and when strong trend appear- trade after trade is profitable.

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    Dario @TMLitalia

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg the problem is that not every month the market is suitable for a method....

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    YogiStockMarket @Yogistockmkt

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg what happens when there is a total sell off in the market and almost all your positions have hit 1R loss? What do you do? Do u take losses on that day and wait for better entry points?

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    fabtac @fabtac2012

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg 4.3x R gain is way too high and unrealistic

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    Dan Cassin @Dan_Cassin

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg Didn’t realize there was a picture. Took me three tries to bookmark this post.

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    Sam Brunson @thesambrunson

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg Who knew trading was just fancy math with extra stress! 🤯💸

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    Poke'mon Trainer Trader @TraderGiulio

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg What entry type does satisfy a 4 R on average over the 14 days minimum holding period? And what daily chart does coherently fits this return profile; alternatively said, what is the day you have to buy on a daily chart and how you track it (in relation also with mkt action)....

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    ꜱᴛᴏᴄᴋᴍɪɴᴇʀ @ari5000

    10 months ago

    @jfsrevg Can you do the math for 30% win rate. Appreciate the info

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    WanderingWasabi @AH_investor

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg Hi jeff, sorry for a stupid question. What is gain to pain ratio?

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    Sydney Kiwi @ABenKiwi

    3 months ago

    @jfsrevg As always great insight @jfsrevg but if you’re buying momentum stocks at or near ATHs do you have a view on how to calc your R:R?

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    Stone @sToNe000241

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg The win rate is very difficult to control. Using the same buying strategy, some months can achieve over 80%, while other months only reach 16% (my stop loss is set at 0.3%-0.6%).

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    Leo | Analyzing Alpha @leosmigel

    a year ago

    @jfsrevg The low win rate and edge aren't mutually exclusive. They're different sides of the same coin. Few can tolerate the loses. Those that can, profit. Great insights. Thanks!

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