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269 Followers 628 Following avid idiot || world-class dirtbag || memetic warfare analyst || #kbmod muphiinz || idk š¤·š¾āā || music enthusiast || shall not be infringed || resident dipshitthe zoomer mind cannot comprehend this, but back in my day EACH CS MAJOR had been programming or building electronics since middle school, with min. 3 years of spreading cringe on forums and newsgroups under his belt. CS was kinda like "selling out".
the zoomer mind cannot comprehend this, but back in my day EACH CS MAJOR had been programming or building electronics since middle school, with min. 3 years of spreading cringe on forums and newsgroups under his belt. CS was kinda like "selling out".
i think one factor that's often forgotten is that the quality of potential mentees plummeted. i already have a spiel as to the reasons, i'll add it below, quick version is: computer science became a default high-status high-earning career path.
One thing Iāve noticed in the best teams in tech right now is that thereās no desire to hire and mentor juniors anymore (across every discipline). This is in part due to cutbacks etc but itās also that a new philosophy won out - instead of large, bottoms up teams, everyone wantsā¦
the thing with shedding delusions is that they're already not true so dropping them changes nothing about reality. the only cost is in accepting that they were there -- and that can be practiced
@losingcontrol23 yeah this is a fair edit, proximity to the thing does definitely help to some extent
@adrusi yeahā¦ iāve basically never received meaningful technical mentorship at any stage throughout my career :/ having high raw technical ability can definitely impede overall development. self-awareness is a helpful counter though
@nbouscal one factor in the currently dismal state of my career was getting pipelined into a ~senior position on account of technical ability, having received effectively no mentorship. i had enough experience to understand where i was lacking, and the stress of that was not helpful
seniority is broadly misunderstood but fundamentally it is about how much responsibility an engineer can handle, i.e. the scope of work they can independently own. juniors hate the idea that this requires tenure but i have never seen a counterexample x.com/nbouscal/statuā¦
@CyrilAlexei the difference between a junior and a senior isnāt how many tools they know or how quickly they can ship a feature or even how well they can debug weird issues (though seniors do have an edge there), itās how independently they can act without fucking everyone over down the line
the purpose of building a bunch of shit isnāt to learn how to build shit. itās to learn how *not* to. you only get that lesson from building a bunch of shit poorly over a long time scale. get started as early as you can
language models are likely throwing some additional fuel on the fire, but it was already roaring long before they came on the scene, and their overall impact still isnāt clear to me the only advice i have for juniors is: build a bunch of shit yourself. become a senior yourself.
starting ~6y ago i built the tech for a company that ended up managing half a billion dollars of capital while processing terabytes of high-velocity data, and did it almost entirely by myself. even 5y earlier, i simply couldnāt have done it alone. thatās whatās driving this
as other languages have adopted features from fp, and (more importantly) as cloud/devops/etc tooling has developed and matured, the level of force multiplication a single senior engineer has access to has brought this issue mainstream, and itās not going to change back
iāve been on this beat for years largely because in high-power languages like haskell the problem has already been crystal clear for years: every haskell company is desperate for seniors, and every opening receives massive interest from juniors. the mismatch is stark
seniors understand long-term consequences of architectural decisions in a way that we simply donāt know how to teach other than by slow accumulation of experience, and the more easily we can do the work ourselves the less willing we are to facilitate that experience for others
there has always been a tension driven by how much easier it is to write new software than it is to maintain old software, but as weāve gotten better and better at rapidly spinning up products with minimal labor this tension has been significantly exacerbated
i used to think improvements in education, e.g. moving to software engineering degrees rather than cs degrees, could help bridge this gap. i still think it can help a little, but not as much as i used to. some lessons can only be learned in the field x.com/nbouscal/statuā¦
@ClassOfProblem maybe a bit? not a huge amount, though if youāve ever experienced the thing of learning a hard life lesson and then realizing that a clichĆ© youād heard a million times explains it perfectlyā¦ itās the same effect. a lot of lessons just canāt be taught
i hated the idea too when i was a junior! i thought that because i had been programming since i was 5 and had done a lot of little projects it meant i was basically already senior. i wasnāt. nobody is until theyāve maintained a large project for a long period of time